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   From: Cloeg Urquhart <[e-mail]>
   Date: 01.02.1999, 09:38:00
Subject: Re: FW Patch

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>Hello A.


>AG> HS   Partyk, there is NO 060 FW patch, at least not on Aminet. As I said
>AG in my
>AG> HS previuos message, the 030 patch is for FW version 4 and the last one
>AG that came
>AG> HS to the Aminet.
>AG> HS Johann
>AG .........................

>AG There is a patch for FW97 as well; I`m using it.


>Where would one get this patch for FW97?  And is it for 030 and above?




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   From: H.J.C. Sam <[e-mail]>
   Date: 01.02.1999, 10:26:45
Subject: RE: Location FW97patch: fw9730r1.lha biz/patch 145K87+68030PatchesforFinalWr

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On Sun, Jan 31, 1999, at 03:52 PM, Robert Goodlett wrote:

> aminet:
>
> fw9730r1.lha  biz/patch  145K  87+68030 Patches for FinalWriter 97
>

   By George I got it. Thank you Robert.
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   From: Warren Katchmar <[e-mail]>
   Date: 01.02.1999, 16:00:06
Subject: Re: Frames Was FW Patch

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Hello H.J.C.


HS   As Charles does, I ask also: Where is this patch?
HS   To Charles, I don't understand the reference to "click and type". If I
HS have a beef with FW97, it is the text frames, which will appear when
HS clicking in a none-type or typed area. Is this what you mean? Later

I too have an issue with the text frames and I am now wondering if anybody
out there has found a better way to deal with them.  For now I have them
set up to RED and the thickess frame it can have.  At least I see them when
I click in a non typed area.


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   From: H.J.C. Sam <[e-mail]>
   Date: 01.02.1999, 17:06:43
Subject: RE: Frames Was FW Patch

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> Hello H.J.C.
>
> I too have an issue with the text frames and I am now wondering if anybody
> out there has found a better way to deal with them.  For now I have them
> set up to RED and the thickess frame it can have.  At least I see them when
> I click in a non typed area.
>
> <sb> Warren T. Katchmar

   Warren, when FW97 came out with Text Frames, this was one of the complaints.
I have always made the frame visible, so I could overcome accidental activation
be immediately clicking in the text area. It just takes getting used to it,
like flushing the john.
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   From: Charles Birkner <[e-mail]>
   Date: 01.02.1999, 22:27:20
Subject: Re: Frames Was FW Patch

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>Hello H.J.C.


>HS   As Charles does, I ask also: Where is this patch?
>HS   To Charles, I don't understand the reference to "click and type". If I
>HS have a beef with FW97, it is the text frames, which will appear when
>HS clicking in a none-type or typed area. Is this what you mean? Later

>I too have an issue with the text frames and I am now wondering if anybody
>out there has found a better way to deal with them.  For now I have them
>set up to RED and the thickess frame it can have.  At least I see them when
>I click in a non typed area.

Yup, that's it.  According to SW's tech support, (back when they still
answered the phone), you can't turn them off!  If you click accidentally, it's
also hard to figure out which one to get rid of if you happen to get two in
the same place.  Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you could make
format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!

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   From: H.J.C. Sam <[e-mail]>
   Date: 02.02.1999, 09:26:29
Subject: RE: Format codes

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On Mon, Feb 1, 1999, at 10:27 PM, Charles Birkner wrote:

> Yup, that's it.  According to SW's tech support, (back when they still
> answered the phone), you can't turn them off!  If you click accidentally,
> it's
> also hard to figure out which one to get rid of if you happen to get two in
> the same place.  Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you could make
> format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!


   Charles, I don't understand what you refer to as "format codes". As far as
the appearance of text frames is concerned, I got used to it and the extra
click on occasion does not bother me.
Later
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   From: Warren Katchmar <[e-mail]>
   Date: 02.02.1999, 15:37:19
Subject: Re: Frames Was FW Patch

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CB> I too have an issue with the text frames and I am now wondering if
CB> anybody out there has found a better way to deal with them. For now I
CB> have them set up to RED and the thickess frame it can have. At least I
CB> see them when I click in a non typed area.

CB Yup, that's it. According to SW's tech support, (back when they still
CB answered the phone), you can't turn them off! If you click accidentally,
CB it's also hard to figure out which one to get rid of if you happen to get
CB two in the same place. Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you
CB could make format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!

Darn, I was hoping that someone came up with away to turn them (it) off?
And on the note about codes..  It would great if Softwood was still working
on FinalWriter :-)  Well there is always hope that...





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   From: Warren Katchmar <[e-mail]>
   Date: 02.02.1999, 15:40:01
Subject: Re: Format codes

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HS>  Yup, that's it. According to SW's tech support, (back when they still
HS>  answered the phone), you can't turn them off! If you click
HS>  accidentally, it's
HS>  also hard to figure out which one to get rid of if you happen to get
HS>  two in the same place. Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you
HS>  could make format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!


HS   Charles, I don't understand what you refer to as "format codes". As
HS far as the appearance of text frames is concerned, I got used to it and
HS the extra click on occasion does not bother me. Later
HS Johann

I think he might be talking about reveal codes, like Word Perfect??



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   From: Bruce Moi <[e-mail]>
   Date: 02.02.1999, 20:00:09
Subject: Re: Frames Was FW Patch

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On 01-Feb-99, Charles Birkner wrote:

>Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you could make
>format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!

--

That was one of the features I liked about ProWrite!.Two bad it hasn't been
supported for many a year. It's still a good wordprocessor though for those
who don't need the advanced features of FW.
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   From: Bruce Moi <[e-mail]>
   Date: 02.02.1999, 23:32:38
Subject: Re: Format codes

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On 03-Feb-99, Warren Katchmar wrote:

>HS>Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you
>HS>could make format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!

-snip-

>I think he might be talking about reveal codes, like Word Perfect??

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually he's referring to visable carriage return markers and line feeds and
the like. This can be very handy if your working on a document that someone
else has also worked on. For example when my wife is typing, she sometimes
will put a return just as she comes to the end of the page instead of letting
FW wordwrap. If she wants me to add to it or reformat the document it can go
all haywire. If I could see where the returns are it would be easy to adjust
before reformating!. My favorite wordprocessor before FW was very good in this
reguard. ProWrite is still very usable but no longer supported. ( So wat else
is new?. )


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   From: Charles Birkner <[e-mail]>
   Date: 02.02.1999, 23:36:26
Subject: RE: Format codes

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>On Mon, Feb 1, 1999, at 10:27 PM, Charles Birkner wrote:

>> Yup, that's it.  According to SW's tech support, (back when they still
>> answered the phone), you can't turn them off!  If you click accidentally,
>> it's
>> also hard to figure out which one to get rid of if you happen to get two in
>> the same place.  Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you could make
>> format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!


>   Charles, I don't understand what you refer to as "format codes". As far as
>the appearance of text frames is concerned, I got used to it and the extra
>click on occasion does not bother me.

Actually, it's no big deal, but sometimes I'd like to see carriage returns,
EOL's, and Paragraph markings and the like...


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   From: Warren Katchmar <[e-mail]>
   Date: 03.02.1999, 16:04:01
Subject: Re: FW & RAM

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Hello Horemans

HE Hello Warren :

HE A static ram or a RAD: is the same as a RAM:

HE ....*BUT*

HE if you save a document in a RAM: with FWriter and just after the saving
HE you have a guru or you reset accidently the computer. Then you loose your
HE document because the ram: comes back empty after a new start.

HE Well with a static ram (RAD:) it is NOT lost. After the new Amiga start

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Okay, I have heard about RAD: I just was not aware that Static was the same
thing.



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   From: Warren Katchmar <[e-mail]>
   Date: 03.02.1999, 16:06:23
Subject: Re: Format codes

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Hello Bruce


BM On 03-Feb-99, Warren Katchmar wrote:

BM> HS>Speaking of hard to see, I wisk sometimes you
BM> HS>could make format codes visible, as well. It'd be a great plus!

BM -snip-

BM> I think he might be talking about reveal codes, like Word Perfect??

BM --------------------------------------------------------------------

BM Actually he's referring to visable carriage return markers and line feeds
BM and the like. This can be very handy if your working on a document that
BM someone else has also worked on. For example when my wife is typing, she
BM sometimes will put a return just as she comes to the end of the page
BM instead of letting FW wordwrap. If she wants me to add to it or reformat
BM the document it can go all haywire. If I could see where the returns are
BM it would be easy to adjust before reformating!. My favorite wordprocessor
BM before FW was very good in this reguard. ProWrite is still very usable
BM but no longer supported. ( So wat else is new?. )


Thanks for the info.  I have never use ProWrite.  Sounds like it had some
nice features.

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   From: Andrew Bruno <[e-mail]>
   Date: 05.02.1999, 21:57:57
Subject: Re: FW & RAM

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Can we please stop this discussin about saving to RAM....

It has been resolved.

END OF DISCUSSION!

I am getting annoyed with this constant discussion about it when it HAS been
resolved.

Sheesh!



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   From: Sascha Teichmann <[e-mail]>
   Date: 06.02.1999, 19:34:21
Subject: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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Hi !

FW97 seems to have problems when reading eps files from Ghostscript !?
Comparing to those included with FW97 some are really different (binary code first)
and some looks like Ghostscript's EPS output but I do not get them to work
with FW -  only an empty rectangle is shown as I would have set to do not show
the picture but that's not the case. And nothing is printed.

Can anybody help me ?



GER: Weiß jemand, wie ich FW dazu überreden kann, nach EPS konvertierte Dateien
einzubinden. Ich bekomme leider nur ein umrandetes Rechteck das weder größe noch
sonst etwas vom Ausgangsdokument repräsentieren kann. Ausdrucken kann ich auch nix.


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   From: H.J.C. Sam <[e-mail]>
   Date: 07.02.1999, 11:42:51
Subject: RE: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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On Sat, Feb 6, 1999, at 07:34 PM, Sascha Teichmann wrote:

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> Hi !
>
> FW97 seems to have problems when reading eps files from Ghostscript !?
> Comparing to those included with FW97 some are really different (binary
> code first)
> and some looks like Ghostscript's EPS output but I do not get them to work
> with FW -  only an empty rectangle is shown as I would have set to do not
> show
> the picture but that's not the case. And nothing is printed.
>
> Can anybody help me ?

   Sasha, after loading an EPS created with Ghostscript into FW, go to "Object
Settings" and set 'Screen Display' to Full Image. This works for me. However,
resizing will still leave a rather large frame around it.
Johann
>
>
>
> GER: Weiß jemand, wie ich FW dazu überreden kann, nach EPS konvertierte
> Dateien
> einzubinden. Ich bekomme leider nur ein umrandetes Rechteck das weder
> größe noch
> sonst etwas vom Ausgangsdokument repräsentieren kann. Ausdrucken kann ich
> auch nix.

   There is NO chance Softwood can be persuaded to do anything on FW and for
Amiga. They may change their mind, when in is profitable. You know, making
money, that's why they are in business.

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   From: Nelson maughan <[e-mail]>
   Date: 07.02.1999, 18:55:00
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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Sorry Sascha...
I use PS purely and I am not familiar with the Ghostscript aspect.  Perhaps
I'll learn from your question.
Thanks,
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>Hi !

>FW97 seems to have problems when reading eps files from Ghostscript !?
>Comparing to those included with FW97 some are really different (binary code
>first)
>and some looks like Ghostscript's EPS output but I do not get them to work
>with FW -  only an empty rectangle is shown as I would have set to do not
show
>the picture but that's not the case. And nothing is printed.

>Can anybody help me ?



>GER: Weiß jemand, wie ich FW dazu überreden kann, nach EPS konvertierte
>Dateien
>einzubinden. Ich bekomme leider nur ein umrandetes Rechteck das weder größe
>noch
>sonst etwas vom Ausgangsdokument repräsentieren kann. Ausdrucken kann ich
auch
>nix.


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   From: Martin Lindholm <[e-mail]>
   Date: 07.02.1999, 19:30:14
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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> Hi !
>
> FW97 seems to have problems when reading eps files from Ghostscript !?
> Comparing to those included with FW97 some are really different (binary
> code first) and some looks like Ghostscript's EPS output but I do not get
> them to work with FW - only an empty rectangle is shown as I would have
set
> to do not show the picture but that's not the case. And nothing is
printed.
>
> Can anybody help me ?

Hello!

I made a few logotypes in PageStream for use with FW97. At first they didn't
work out, but the problem seemed to be related to the printer driver in
use. When trying a few different printer drivers within PageStream, some
generated fully FW compatible EPS files, but others didn't. If you produce
your EPS-files with a DTP software - try switching the printer (PPD)
driver. Some of the output files should work with FW97.

What software has generated the EPS files you're trying to use? Also, what
has GhostScript got to do with it? As far as I know GhostScript only
handles PostScript documents - not Encapsulated PostScript (EPS) files. FW
cannot read PostScript files, so it may be as simple as that. However, I'm
not that into using GhostScript - it may have som support for EPS too, in
one way or another, that I'm not aware of.

I hope this has been to some help. Feel free to post followups in case the
problem stays.


Kind regards,


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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 08.02.1999, 03:23:17
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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On 07-Feb-99 at 14:42:51, H.J.C. Sam wrote these words of wisdom:

[snip]
>   There is NO chance Softwood can be persuaded to do anything on FW and
> for Amiga. They may change their mind, when in is profitable. You know,
> making money, that's why they are in business.

What about FinalOffice 2.0 from softpartners? That is if they are working on
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   From: H.J.C. Sam <[e-mail]>
   Date: 08.02.1999, 17:41:19
Subject: RE: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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> On 07-Feb-99 at 14:42:51, H.J.C. Sam wrote these words of wisdom:
>
> [snip]
> >   There is NO chance Softwood can be persuaded to do anything on FW and
> > for Amiga. They may change their mind, when in is profitable. You know,
> > making money, that's why they are in business.
>
> What about FinalOffice 2.0 from softpartners? That is if they are working
> on
> it. What is the status of that project?

   Marion, Softpartners made the development of FinalOffice 2.0 conditional. If
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   From: Herbert Wollman <[e-mail]>
   Date: 08.02.1999, 22:35:23
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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Sascha Teichmann wrote:

> FW97 seems to have problems when reading eps files from Ghostscript !?
> Comparing to those included with FW97 some are really different (binary code first)
> and some looks like Ghostscript's EPS output but I do not get them to work
> with FW -  only an empty rectangle is shown as I would have set to do not show
> the picture but that's not the case. And nothing is printed.
>

Ghostscript is a program for VIEWING either normal PostScript (.ps) or Encapsulated
PostScript (.eps) files, or for PRINTING (.ps) files.  It is not usually used to generate
files, but it can be used to add a preview to a file.

Generally speaking, normal PostScript (.ps) is intended to be sent directly to a PostScript
printer, while Encapsulated PostScript (.eps) files are intended to be used within a
publishing program like FW, but sometimes they can be printed by a PostScript printer.
Encaplutated PostScript is just a subet of normal PostScript, with about 6 commands
forbidden, and two comments mandatory.

Final Writer uses the normal Amiga postscript library to display either PostScript OR
Encapsulated PostScript.  It does NOT require the files to contain a preview like the word
processors on the PC or Mac require.  However for this to work, you have to set it up
properly.  You may have to have a directory that contains real PostScript fonts, and you may
have to modify the file FinalWriter/FWFiles/init.ps, so that it points to that directory.

I do not know if FW can directly print a document with embedded EPS to a nonPostScript
printer, I think that it can.  However neither MS-Word nor WordPerfect on the PC or Mac can.
I usually have FW write a PostScript file to ram:, then use postlj to print it is the
background, since this is much faster.

If Ghostscript can display the file, then FinalWriter usually can handle it.  However the
PostScript RIP is slightly better in Ghostscript, so for a really complex image it is
possible for FW to choke on it.

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   From: Dirk Neubauer <[e-mail]>
   Date: 08.02.1999, 23:31:42
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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Hi Martin!


On 07-Feb-99, you wrote:

> has GhostScript got to do with it? As far as I know GhostScript only
> handles PostScript documents - not Encapsulated PostScript (EPS) files. FW

Ghostscript handles both, ps and eps files. eps files better for smaller
machines, because of tiff-preview pics.

But another question: What output generates ghostscript to use for FW. I
don't understand the problem so far. In my opinion ghostscript is only a
viewing or printing tool.

And another thing. If you have problems with eps files, you should look into
the file init.ps. Perhaps there are small changes needed for compatiblity.
Maybe you need to assign your PSFONTS: in it.

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   Date: 09.02.1999, 01:03:17
Subject: Euro-Symbol

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   From: H.J.C. Sam <[e-mail]>
   Date: 09.02.1999, 10:44:23
Subject: RE: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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> On Mon, Feb 8, 1999, at 03:23 AM, Marion E. Wyatt wrote:


  [snip]

>I think the $100.00 Final Office 1.0 is FANTASTIC for all the software you
>get. I hope they will make a 2.0 with upgraded versions of the software.
>Where can one buy Final Office 1.0? I haven't seen anyone advertising it for
>sale yet.

   Me neither, however their web page is up and one could order V1.0 directly
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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 09.02.1999, 12:04:58
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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On 08-Feb-99 at 20:41:19, H.J.C. Sam wrote these words of wisdom:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 1999, at 03:23 AM, Marion E. Wyatt wrote:
>> On 07-Feb-99 at 14:42:51, H.J.C. Sam wrote these words of wisdom:
>>
>> [snip]
>>>   There is NO chance Softwood can be persuaded to do anything on FW and
>>> for Amiga. They may change their mind, when in is profitable. You know,
>>> making money, that's why they are in business.
>>
>> What about FinalOffice 2.0 from softpartners? That is if they are working
>> on it. What is the status of that project?
>
>   Marion, Softpartners made the development of FinalOffice 2.0
> conditional. If they can sell enough of FinalOffice 1.0 CD at $100.00 a
> shot, they said they will. So, we probably have to take a wait and see
> attitude. I have everything what Softwood has published in the Final....
> series. I like. FW and new developments as indicated by Softpartners would
> be nice to have. Later

That is what I was asking about. I know it is conditional, but I haven't
really heard anything about v1.0 of Final Office as far as it's status and
how it is selling. I own FW97 and have upgraded it from FW2.0 -> FW4.0 ->
FW5.0 -> FW6.0 -> FW97... I think that is the sequence of events :)

I think the $100.00 Final Office 1.0 is FANTASTIC for all the software you
get. I hope they will make a 2.0 with upgraded versions of the software.
Where can one buy Final Office 1.0? I haven't seen anyone advertising it for
sale yet.

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   From: Phyllis J. Edberg <[e-mail]>
   Date: 09.02.1999, 18:16:50
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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On 09-Feb-99, H.J.C. Sam wrote:
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>> On Mon, Feb 8, 1999, at 03:23 AM, Marion E. Wyatt wrote:
>
>
>  [snip]
>
>> I think the $100.00 Final Office 1.0 is FANTASTIC for all the software
you
>> get. I hope they will make a 2.0 with upgraded versions of the software.
>> Where can one buy Final Office 1.0? I haven't seen anyone advertising it
for
>> sale yet.
>
>   Me neither, however their web page is up and one could order V1.0
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> from them. They even had or have a pre-production price.
> Johann
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   From: Sascha Teichmann <[e-mail]>
   Date: 09.02.1999, 20:39:37
Subject: EPS Problem fixed (Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files)

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Hi,

thanks for your answers.

First of all, Ghostscript is of course for viewing and printing of various
formats but it is also able to convert and save files in different file types
such as PS and EPS.

I think I found the reason why sometime FW accepts an EPS file and sometimes not.
Nethertheless your answers gave me the feel what to do.

Some points to have an eye on what can happen (files means docs or pictures ...):
- Ghostscript itself is not very carefully when it should work with large files.
   -> don't let Ghostscript to save too large files
- some problems occurs when using Ghostscript's size options
   -> don't scale or cut files, better do that within FW
- FW's eps load routine needs some more memory
   -> if you have not much RAM and you work for some hours at your computer better
      don't let FW to load (longer) EPS files. If it can't allocate memory it shows
      me a blank frame.

If you follow these steps there should actually be no problems.

My fault was that I had worked for hours at my machine and then I didn't had
enough memory that was not longer in one piece (english=<fragmented>?).


Some of you may ask what's the reason for doing that.
 If you load a text as EPS file you can easily move it on your document millimetre
 by millimetre, easily change its size (ok, FW can do that, too <g>) and gave him
 a frame.
 In fact you can use text blocks but if you need some more lines ?  Or you use text
 frames, but if you want to increase the content's size by the same value ?



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   From: Maarten <[e-mail]>
   Date: 09.02.1999, 20:52:56
Subject: Problem with Finaltyper and FW97

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   From: Mike Clare <[e-mail]>
   Date: 09.02.1999, 21:20:34
Subject: fw9730 patch (fwd)

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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 10.02.1999, 05:54:19
Subject: Final Office 1.0 [was Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files]

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On 09-Feb-99 at 17:16:50, Phyllis J. Edberg wrote these words of wisdom:
> Hello H.J.C. On 09-Feb-99, H.J.C. Sam wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 1999, at 03:23 AM, Marion E. Wyatt wrote:
>>
>>  [snip]
>>
>>> I think the $100.00 Final Office 1.0 is FANTASTIC for all the software
>>> you get. I hope they will make a 2.0 with upgraded versions of the
>>> software. Where can one buy Final Office 1.0? I haven't seen anyone
>>> advertising it for sale yet.
>>
>>   Me neither, however their web page is up and one could order V1.0
>> directly from them. They even had or have a pre-production price.

> And since you know that their web page is up, please share it with the
> rest of us!

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   From: Wil Haslup <[e-mail]>
   Date: 10.02.1999, 12:01:51
Subject: Re: Final Office 1.0 [was Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files]

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> On 09-Feb-99 at 17:16:50, Phyllis J. Edberg wrote these words of wisdom:
>> Hello H.J.C. On 09-Feb-99, H.J.C. Sam wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 1999, at 03:23 AM, Marion E. Wyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>  [snip]
>>>
>>>> I think the $100.00 Final Office 1.0 is FANTASTIC for all the software
>>>> you get. I hope they will make a 2.0 with upgraded versions of the
>>>> software. Where can one buy Final Office 1.0? I haven't seen anyone
>>>> advertising it for sale yet.
>>>
>>>   Me neither, however their web page is up and one could order V1.0
>>> directly from them. They even had or have a pre-production price.
>
>> And since you know that their web page is up, please share it with the
>> rest of us!
>
> Try http://www.softpartners.com it's been up for several monthes.

They didn't seem to respond to email requests for information though.
I think the site has been revised recently.  Maybe things are more reliable.

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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 10.02.1999, 19:28:37
Subject: Re: Final Office 1.0 [was Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files]

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On 10-Feb-99 at 11:01:51, Wil Haslup wrote these words of wisdom:
> On 10-Feb-99, you wrote:
>> On 09-Feb-99 at 17:16:50, Phyllis J. Edberg wrote these words of wisdom:
>>> Hello H.J.C. On 09-Feb-99, H.J.C. Sam wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 1999, at 03:23 AM, Marion E. Wyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  [snip]
>>>>
>>>>> I think the $100.00 Final Office 1.0 is FANTASTIC for all the software
>>>>> you get. I hope they will make a 2.0 with upgraded versions of the
>>>>> software. Where can one buy Final Office 1.0? I haven't seen anyone
>>>>> advertising it for sale yet.
>>>>
>>>>   Me neither, however their web page is up and one could order V1.0
>>>> directly from them. They even had or have a pre-production price.
>>
>>> And since you know that their web page is up, please share it with the
>>> rest of us!
>>
>> Try http://www.softpartners.com it's been up for several monthes.
>
> They didn't seem to respond to email requests for information though. I
> think the site has been revised recently. Maybe things are more reliable.

I haven't ever had email replied to either. I sent a new one today. Maybe I
will hear something. The last info on the site is from November 98 as far as
I can tell. An anouncement that Final Office 1.0 was sent for pressing on
CD, 3" CDs. The software is a CD only product... no floppies.

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   From: Maarten <[e-mail]>
   Date: 10.02.1999, 20:00:41
Subject: Problem with Finaltyper and FW97

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   From: Cloeg Urquhart <[e-mail]>
   Date: 10.02.1999, 23:20:49
Subject: Re: fw9730 patch (fwd)

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>I am using FW97 and patched it up from FW3 (?) through to 97 using all the
>upgrades from SW.  The discussion on patches interested me and thought I
>would add the patch to my A4000/40  -  sounded simple except fw9730.lha
>patch says I do not have the correct version of FW97.  Is there another
>patch other than the one on Aminet?


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   From: Billy Horton <[e-mail]>
   Date: 11.02.1999, 08:52:14
Subject: Re: Problem with Finaltyper and FW97

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On 10-Feb-99, Maarten wrote:

> /I can't get FW97 and Finaltyper to work.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is Final Typer?

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Subject: Re: Final Office 1.0 [was Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files]

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Subject: Re: Final Office 1.0 [was Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files]

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>I tried to sign up for the $65 pre-relase offer for this software and was
>never contacted.  Does the Web page still list September 1998 as the
>release date?

Yeah.  You'd think they wanted a little money, eh?

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>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Marion E. Wyatt wrote:

>> Try http://www.softpartners.com it's been up for several monthes.


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   From: Tom Weniger <[e-mail]>
   Date: 15.02.1999, 13:24:46
Subject: Document Conversion

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Greetings All,

I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables) into
something that FW can understand with no success.  Are there any utilities,
Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?

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   From: H.J.C. Sam <[e-mail]>
   Date: 15.02.1999, 16:24:37
Subject: RE: Document Conversion

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> Greetings All,
>
> I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables) into
> something that FW can understand with no success.  Are there any utilities,
> Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?
>
> Virtually,
>
> Tom
>

   Tom, as of FW 5 you could handle RTF file import and export in FW. I do not
know whether WordPerfect can safe a document as a RTF (Rich Text File).
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   From: Matthew W. Brown <[e-mail]>
   Date: 15.02.1999, 18:02:57
Subject: Re: Document Conversion

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Hi Tom,

    On Aminet, try util/wb/TextLoaderNG.lha.  I downloaded it hoping to do the
same with Word formats.  I was trying several different programs, and this one
looked promising, unfortunately the docs are in German.  (? I cannot read it,
so I am not sure...)  Anyway, it claims to load anything from ASCII to
WordPerfect, so good luck!

Matt Brown

On 15-Feb-99, Tom Weniger wrote:

> I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables) into
> something that FW can understand with no success.  Are there any utilities,
> Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?
>
> Tom


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   From: ROBERT MEYERS <[e-mail]>
   Date: 16.02.1999, 07:49:25
Subject: Re[2]: Document Conversion

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> Greetings All,
>
> I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables) into
> something that FW can understand with no success.  Are there any utilities,
> Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?
>
> Virtually,
>
> Tom
>

   Tom, as of FW 5 you could handle RTF file import and export in FW. I do not
know whether WordPerfect can safe a document as a RTF (Rich Text File).
Hope this helps
Johann

I use Wordperfect at work (using it now actually),
and yes you can save in RTF (Rich Text Format).

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   From: Dominique Harelle <[e-mail]>
   Date: 16.02.1999, 09:28:20
Subject: Re: Document Conversion

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> Greetings All,

> I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables) into
> something that FW can understand with no success.  Are there any
utilities,
> Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?

> Virtually,

> Tom

There is a program on Aminet util/wb/TextLoaderNG.lha that says it can
convert Word 6-8, Wordperfect and Amigawriter to ascii I believe. That might
not keep your tables though.

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   From: Nelson maughan <[e-mail]>
   Date: 16.02.1999, 19:56:41
Subject: RE: Document Conversion

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Greeting to all,
FW 97 will take all RTF saved documents. I often have docs saved in
WP on a DOS disk and then import it into FW97. Works great, you
will want to save it as a FW Doc to establish your own formatting
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>On Sun, Feb 15, 1999, at 01:24 PM, Tom Weniger wrote:

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>>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables) into
>> something that FW can understand with no success.  Are there any utilities,
>> Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?
>>
>> Virtually,
>>
>> Tom
>>

>   Tom, as of FW 5 you could handle RTF file import and export in FW. I do
not
>know whether WordPerfect can safe a document as a RTF (Rich Text File).
>Hope this helps
>Johann


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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 16.02.1999, 21:31:27
Subject: Re: Document Conversion

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On 15-Feb-99 at 19:24:37, H.J.C. Sam wrote these words of wisdom:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 1999, at 01:24 PM, Tom Weniger wrote:

>> I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables)
>> into something that FW can understand with no success. Are there any
>> utilities, Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?
>
>   Tom, as of FW 5 you could handle RTF file import and export in FW. I do
> not know whether WordPerfect can safe a document as a RTF (Rich Text File).
> Hope this helps
> Johann

I believe most PC wordprocessors support RTF. But I don't know how well
tables are translated in RTF, if at all. Does FW support importing an HTML
document? I don't have my manual handy to look it up.

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   From: Herbert Wollman <[e-mail]>
   Date: 17.02.1999, 00:21:00
Subject: Re: Document Conversion

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Tom Weniger wrote:

> I have been trying to convert a few WordPerfect documents (w/ tables) into
> something that FW can understand with no success.  Are there any utilities,
> Arexx scripts or suggestions out there that can help me?

The best conversion method that I have found is to first save from WordPerfect
on the PC as Rich Text Format.
Then try to load the .rtf file into the Amiga version of FinalWriter.
If that does not work, try to load it into the Win95 version of FinalWriter on
the PC, and then save in "Amiga FinalWriter" format.

Unfortunately, I just tried this with a document that had a table.  The text
survived, but not the structure of the table.

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   From: Victor <[e-mail]>
   Date: 17.02.1999, 01:43:27
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files

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On 08-Feb-99 22:35:23 Herbert Wollman from [e-mail] wrote:

Hello Herbert,

I tried your FW macro to print PS to ram: and then postlj for printing to the
HP6L and it works beautifully. Faster than ordinary FW printing. But for some
reason I'm having problems attaching your script to my printer button
(probably a simple thing to overcome).

Many thanks for the tip!

On a related theme, I needed to import an EPS file exported from the Design
Works drawing program but FW would not accept it. But Professioanl Page did
and so did the TVPaint Jr. which came bundled with my PicassoII. In TV Paint I
saved the file as IFF which FW imported with no problem. I should note that
I'm using the HappyDT program which allows numerous programs to use file types
that they previously could not.

But I still can't figure out why Design Works cannot export IFF files when
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>Sascha Teichmann wrote:

>> FW97 seems to have problems when reading eps files from Ghostscript !?
>> Comparing to those included with FW97 some are really different (binary
>> code first) and some looks like Ghostscript's EPS output but I do not get
>> them to work with FW -  only an empty rectangle is shown as I would have
>> set to do not show the picture but that's not the case. And nothing is
>> printed.
>>

>Ghostscript is a program for VIEWING either normal PostScript (.ps) or
>Encapsulated PostScript (.eps) files, or for PRINTING (.ps) files.  It is not
>usually used to generate files, but it can be used to add a preview to a
>file.

>Generally speaking, normal PostScript (.ps) is intended to be sent directly
>to a PostScript printer, while Encapsulated PostScript (.eps) files are
>intended to be used within a publishing program like FW, but sometimes they
>can be printed by a PostScript printer. Encaplutated PostScript is just a
>subet of normal PostScript, with about 6 commands forbidden, and two comments
>mandatory.

>Final Writer uses the normal Amiga postscript library to display either
>PostScript OR Encapsulated PostScript.  It does NOT require the files to
>contain a preview like the word processors on the PC or Mac require.  However
>for this to work, you have to set it up properly.  You may have to have a
>directory that contains real PostScript fonts, and you may have to modify the
>file FinalWriter/FWFiles/init.ps, so that it points to that directory.

>I do not know if FW can directly print a document with embedded EPS to a
>nonPostScript printer, I think that it can.  However neither MS-Word nor
>WordPerfect on the PC or Mac can. I usually have FW write a PostScript file
>to ram:, then use postlj to print it is the background, since this is much
>faster.

>If Ghostscript can display the file, then FinalWriter usually can handle it.
>However the PostScript RIP is slightly better in Ghostscript, so for a really
>complex image it is possible for FW to choke on it.

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   From: Andrew Bruno <[e-mail]>
   Date: 17.02.1999, 22:39:56
Subject: CD cover printing.

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Hi,

Hi folks.

Can someone please help me with how to make CD covers (as in for the CD, not
the box) and make the writing either go around or arc the disc?




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   From: MARC HALPERIN <[e-mail]>
   Date: 18.02.1999, 12:24:00
Subject: Re: CD cover printing.

     There is a program on Aminet called Final Wrapper that will wrap
     letters around a circle and other cool tricks. The version I have is
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Hi,

Hi folks.

Can someone please help me with how to make CD covers (as in for the CD, not
the box) and make the writing either go around or arc the disc?




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   Date: 18.02.1999, 21:20:32
Subject: Re: CD cover printing.

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A text-program like "Finalwriter" seems not to be a good choice!

You should try a drawing-program like "Drawstudio". It  has all text- and
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   From: Cloeg Urquhart <[e-mail]>
   Date: 19.02.1999, 09:13:43
Subject: Re: CD cover printing.

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On 17-Feb-99, MARC HALPERIN wrote:
>     There is a program on Aminet called Final Wrapper that will wrap
>     letters around a circle and other cool tricks. The version I have is
>     3.1 (21.05.95)


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   From: Andrew Bruno <[e-mail]>
   Date: 19.02.1999, 22:50:34
Subject: Re: CD cover printing.

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Hello MARC

On 19-Feb-99, you wrote:

>     There is a program on Aminet called Final Wrapper that will wrap
>     letters around a circle and other cool tricks. The version I have is
>     3.1 (21.05.95)
>

Seen it, but am having trouble using it.

I have made a template (or what ever you want to call it) of the CD's size,
and want to enter the text and have a macro - or something - wrap the song
names within the limits.

Any ideas then?



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   From: Tom Weniger <[e-mail]>
   Date: 20.02.1999, 15:25:18
Subject: Re: Document Conversion

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On 16-Feb-99 22:21:00, Herbert Wollman wrote:

 HW> The best conversion method that I have found is to first save from WordPerf
 HW> on the PC as Rich Text Format.
 HW> Then try to load the .rtf file into the Amiga version of FinalWriter.
 HW> If that does not work, try to load it into the Win95 version of FinalWriter
 HW> the PC, and then save in "Amiga FinalWriter" format.

 HW> Unfortunately, I just tried this with a document that had a table.  The tex
 HW> survived, but not the structure of the table.

Greetings All,

First off, thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately, as Herbert
mentioned, tables will lose all their formatting regardless what format the
file is saved as.  I have experimented and to tried to import/export as RTF
to FW (Ami), WPS (Works4.5 Win95), WPD (Word97) as well as into Pagestream
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   From: MARC HALPERIN <[e-mail]>
   Date: 24.02.1999, 14:48:00
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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     Are you sure this is formatted as PC0, it sounds like it is formatted
     as an IBM disk. You can share files across the platforms but you
     should provide the disk to your PC friends as disks formatted to the
     IBM PC format can not be read on Amigas. Go ahead and format a bunch
     of disks as PC0 and label them Amiga PC0, these are the only disks
     that your friends should use to swap with you.


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Hello,

Sorry, this might be outtopix but I have one very very annoying problem:

I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can without pro
blem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).

Until today!

I recieved a diskette from a guy who saved several texts from his PC to this dis
kette (1.44MB) and bring it to me.

BUT - when insert it I got *error* (!) df0: unknown (BAD), PC0: unknown (non-dos
!?)

Why!?!?!?

Then I tried this disk to another PC guy and - it worked.

Why then my floppy can't read this PC diskette!?!?!?

All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted 780kb, 1.4
4 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!

What to do???

Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.

Help!

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   From: DJNick <[e-mail]>
   Date: 24.02.1999, 16:17:57
Subject: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hello,

Sorry, this might be outtopix but I have one very very annoying problem:

I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can without problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).

Until today!

I recieved a diskette from a guy who saved several texts from his PC to this diskette (1.44MB) and bring it to me.

BUT - when insert it I got *error* (!) df0: unknown (BAD), PC0: unknown (non-dos!?)

Why!?!?!?

Then I tried this disk to another PC guy and - it worked.

Why then my floppy can't read this PC diskette!?!?!?

All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted 780kb, 1.44 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!

What to do???

Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.

Help!

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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 04:47:41
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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PC0: is the device name for IBM format (MS-DOS, PC-DOS) diskettes.

On 24-Feb-99 at 14:48:00, MARC HALPERIN wrote these words of wisdom:
>     Are you sure this is formatted as PC0, it sounds like it is formatted
>     as an IBM disk. You can share files across the platforms but you
>     should provide the disk to your PC friends as disks formatted to the
>     IBM PC format can not be read on Amigas. Go ahead and format a bunch
>     of disks as PC0 and label them Amiga PC0, these are the only disks
>     that your friends should use to swap with you.
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> Hello,
>
> Sorry, this might be outtopix but I have one very very annoying problem:
>
> I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can
> without pro blem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).
>
> Until today!
>
> I recieved a diskette from a guy who saved several texts from his PC to
> this dis kette (1.44MB) and bring it to me.
>
> BUT - when insert it I got *error* (!) df0: unknown (BAD), PC0: unknown
> (non-dos !?)
>
> Why!?!?!?
>
> Then I tried this disk to another PC guy and - it worked.

That is strange.

> Why then my floppy can't read this PC diskette!?!?!?

Is it possible your friend used some form of compression on this floppy? If
so then your Amiga will not be able to read it.

> All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted
> 780kb, 1.4 4 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!

> What to do???

If you have no trouble with normal PC 720kb/1.44MB floppies then something
must be differnt about the one that you could not read.

> Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.

Do you have the newest version of CrossDOS 7?


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   From: Charles Birkner <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 09:56:52
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!! Yeah, me too! (fwd)

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>Hello,

>Sorry, this might be outtopix but I have one very very annoying problem:

>I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can without
>problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).

>Until today!

>I recieved a diskette from a guy who saved several texts from his PC to this
>diskette (1.44MB) and bring it to me.

>BUT - when insert it I got *error* (!) df0: unknown (BAD), PC0: unknown
>(non-dos!?)

>Why!?!?!?

>Then I tried this disk to another PC guy and - it worked.

>Why then my floppy can't read this PC diskette!?!?!?

>All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted 780kb,
>1.44 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!

>What to do???

>Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.

>Help!

OK.  This is hard to explain, but I will try.  I assume you have a real
Amiga (Chinon) floppy, #FZ-357A (Some other companies sold them too).  The
Floppy uses the Gary, CIA's and possibly even paula to write its data to
the disk.  Since CIA controls timing, you might notice that if you put an
accelerator in, the drive does R/W faster (I have an A600 with an HD floppy
(really!), it is slower than my A1200-030 and 4000, which is slower still than
my stock A3000 (the most reliable, it almost always works)). CrossDos (CFS)
is very sensitive, especially since there is a big deal between 1.76 and
1.44 (MACs can read PeeCee floppies much easier, as both are 1.44).  If
you are multitasking while you R/W, you can get all kinds of probs, even
on a faster machine (CIA timing, etc.). But even more likely, if your
friends' PeeCees are older, and also more tolerant, but
they might have dirty drives, or be out of alignment just a bit, even
if new.
As I said, CFS is very sensitive, as is the amiga drive (trying to
cram more data than the 1.44), so I find the slightest thing will give
your PC0:BAD error.  I have found this, particularly with those BULK
formatted disks.  Strangely, I ALWAYS have better results when working
with Mac and PC-OS diskettes from a CLI.  Try it.  Limit multitasking,
and you will do even better.  Some diskettes just won't read though
(sigh).  Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't  Some you format as
PC0: on the amiga won't read on a real PeeCee, either.
I hope this helps you, It may never be perfect, so be patient.

I also wonder about the adaptors that make a geniune PeeCee floppy drive
work in an ami.  I haven't tried one (yet) They might do better...
Good Luck.


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   From: David L. Stevens <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 10:34:27
Subject: Re: [TA] Re: [digital-images] 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hey there, Andrew.Martin

On 25-Feb-99, Andrew.Martin wrote:
>> I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can
without problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).
>
> Talking about High density drives does anyone know the cheapest way to
get
> one currently for the amiga?

Try Patron or Software Hut for new drives.  They both offer external
models.  They may have internals for A2000, A4000 & A1200, but I don't
think there are any more new ones for the A3000.

· Paxtron: [e-mail] or www.paxtron.com

· Software Hut: [e-mail] or www.softhut.com

For used drives, try HardDrivers Co.

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   From: David L. Stevens <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 11:05:41
Subject: Re: [TA] 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hey there, DJNick

On 24-Feb-99, DJNick wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Sorry, this might be outtopix but I have one very very annoying problem:
>
> I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can
without problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).
>
> Until today!
>
> I recieved a diskette from a guy who saved several texts from his PC to
this diskette (1.44MB) and bring it to me.
>
> BUT - when insert it I got *error* (!) df0: unknown (BAD), PC0: unknown
(non-dos!?)
>
> Why!?!?!?
>
> Then I tried this disk to another PC guy and - it worked.
>
> Why then my floppy can't read this PC diskette!?!?!?
>
> All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted
780kb, 1.44 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!
>
> What to do???
>
> Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.
>
> Help!

All disks are laid out in tracks--very thin tracks.  The higher the
density the thinner the tracks and the closer they are to each other.  The
tracks are established when the disk is formatted.  The disk drive must
place the read/write heads /almost /exactly on the track to read or write
it.  That's called alignment.  The key word is /almost/, because nothing's
ever perfect so certain tolerances are provided for.  If the drive that
formatted that disk is /slightly/ out of tolerance one way, a drive that
is within tolerances may read it ok, but a drive that is at the other
extreme won't.  The read/write head alignment was adjustable on the old
Commodore 1541.  I've never heard of anyone doing it on Amiga floppies--a
new drive may be cheaper.

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   From: Andrew.Martin <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 12:12:59
Subject: Re: [digital-images] 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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> I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can without problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).

Talking about High density drives does anyone know the cheapest way to get
one currently for the amiga?

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   From: DJNick <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 13:43:31
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hello MARC

On 24-Feb-99, MARC HALPERIN wrote:
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>     Are you sure this is formatted as PC0, it sounds like it is formatted
>     as an IBM disk. You can share files across the platforms but you
>     should provide the disk to your PC friends as disks formatted to the
>     IBM PC format can not be read on Amigas. Go ahead and format a bunch
>     of disks as PC0 and label them Amiga PC0, these are the only disks
>     that your friends should use to swap with you.

    I can read any IBM formatted PC diskettes (1.44), but this one was the first (as I said) which I couldn't read :(

I got various explanations (thanx guys) so I think it is up to "bulk" formatted disk. So - if I can't read PC formatted disk from the first time I instert it in my Amiga, then there is no way to see it at all (if I understand well). Then I have to bring my diskette, formatted to PC format and copy files from that "unreadable" PC0: to my diskette.

Am I right?

Also I found that reading even 9KB text (from PC formatted diskette) on my Amiga needs around 20 seconds (!) to show up!

Really _terrible_ slooow, but I can't do nothing. Eh...

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   From: Charles Birkner <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 16:19:32
Subject: Re: [TA] Re: [digital-images] 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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On 25-Feb-99, David L. Stevens wrote:
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>Hey there, Andrew.Martin

>On 25-Feb-99, Andrew.Martin wrote:
>>> I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can
>without problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).
>>
>> Talking about High density drives does anyone know the cheapest way to
>get
>> one currently for the amiga?

I think the cheapest way is to do one of those conversions for a PeeCee disk
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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 17:16:50
Subject: Re: [digital-images] 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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On 25-Feb-99 at 07:12:59, Andrew.Martin wrote these words of wisdom:

>>  I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can
>>  without problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).
>
> Talking about High density drives does anyone know the cheapest way to get
> one currently for the amiga?

Amiga external high density floppies cost around $100(US) now new. The Cat
Weasel interface to use PC floppy drives cost around $110(US) plus the extra
cost for the floppy drive. It is still cheaper to get a true Amiga high
density floppy drive. The high density floppy I bought a few years ago cost
$179(US) so prices, though high, are much cheaper today than a few years ago.

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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 17:23:29
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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On 25-Feb-99 at 07:43:31, DJNick wrote these words of wisdom:
> On 24-Feb-99, MARC HALPERIN wrote:

>>      Are you sure this is formatted as PC0, it sounds like it is formatted
>>      as an IBM disk. You can share files across the platforms but you
>>      should provide the disk to your PC friends as disks formatted to the
>>      IBM PC format can not be read on Amigas. Go ahead and format a bunch
>>      of disks as PC0 and label them Amiga PC0, these are the only disks
>>      that your friends should use to swap with you.
>
>    I can read any IBM formatted PC diskettes (1.44), but this one was the
> first (as I said) which I couldn't read :(

[snip]

> Also I found that reading even 9KB text (from PC formatted diskette) on my
> Amiga needs around 20 seconds (!) to show up!
>
> Really _terrible_ slooow, but I can't do nothing. Eh...

How many buffers do you have allocated for PC0: ? If you do not AddBuffers
to the drive then it will be dog slow. Do you have something like this in
your User-Startup file:

C:AddBuffers PC0: 100

I don't know if you need 100 buffers but that is just an example. I have 2
of those lines, one for PC0: and one for PC2:


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   From: Juergen Mueller <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 19:46:52
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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On 24-Feb-99, DJNick wrote:

>Hello,

>I recieved a diskette from a guy who saved several texts from his PC
>to this diskette (1.44MB) and bring it to me.

>BUT - when insert it I got *error* (!) df0: unknown (BAD), PC0:
>unknown (non-dos!?)

>Why!?!?!?

>Then I tried this disk to another PC guy and - it worked.

>Why then my floppy can't read this PC diskette!?!?!?

>All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted
>780kb, 1.44 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!

>What to do???

>Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.

Some times I have the same problem. There was no standard (MS-DOS)
boot block on the disk. Some times there was a virus on the disk.
After formatting the disk on a PC and restoring the files it was ok.

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   From: Juergen Mueller <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 20:33:30
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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On 25-Feb-99, DJNick wrote:

>Also I found that reading even 9KB text (from PC formatted diskette)
>on my Amiga needs around 20 seconds (!) to show up!

>Really _terrible_ slooow, but I can't do nothing. Eh...

24KB in 4 seconds.

I see you have an A1200T. Is it from Micronik?. I have an Micronik
tower and have trouble with PC0: (1.44MB). There was a support page
for that problem. But now it's under construction (since 30.12.1998).
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   From: DJNick <[e-mail]>
   Date: 25.02.1999, 20:49:28
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hello Marion

>> All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted
>> 780kb, 1.4 4 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!
>
>> What to do???
>
> If you have no trouble with normal PC 720kb/1.44MB floppies then something
> must be differnt about the one that you could not read.

Maybe. But there's no explanation for now...

>> Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.
>
> Do you have the newest version of CrossDOS 7?

I think so. Wasn't it 7.0 the latest??

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   From: Michael O'Hara <[e-mail]>
   Date: 26.02.1999, 00:52:31
Subject: Re: [TA] 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hi David,

I'm posting a lot tonight ain't I?

On 25-Feb-99, you wrote...

<blah di blah SNIPed>

> All disks are laid out in tracks--very thin tracks.  The higher the

IIRC each track is made up of three tracks, one where the data is written
to/read from and two either side act as buffer zones.

> density the thinner the tracks and the closer they are to each other.  The
> tracks are established when the disk is formatted.  The disk drive must
> place the read/write heads /almost /exactly on the track to read or write
> it.  That's called alignment.  The key word is /almost/, because nothing's

My old DF1 went out of alignment so couldn't read disks I formatted in DF0 and
vice versa.

> ever perfect so certain tolerances are provided for.  If the drive that
> formatted that disk is /slightly/ out of tolerance one way, a drive that
> is within tolerances may read it ok, but a drive that is at the other
> extreme won't.  The read/write head alignment was adjustable on the old
> Commodore 1541.  I've never heard of anyone doing it on Amiga floppies--a
> new drive may be cheaper.

PC floppy £8UK, Kywalda £15UK Plus p+p. Don't buy youre PC floppy from Power
Computing they charge £15!! Not sure if it'll work in a 4000 though.

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Subject: Re[2]: [TA] 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hey there, DJNick

On 24-Feb-99, DJNick wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Sorry, this might be outtopix but I have one very very annoying
problem:
>
> I have 1.76 internal HD floppy (from A4000 I paid 150 DM!) and I can
without problem read / save on PC formatted diskettes (but very slow).
>
> Until today!
>
> I recieved a diskette from a guy who saved several texts from his PC
to this diskette (1.44MB) and bring it to me.
>
> BUT - when insert it I got *error* (!) df0: unknown (BAD), PC0:
unknown (non-dos!?)
>
> Why!?!?!?
>
> Then I tried this disk to another PC guy and - it worked.
>
> Why then my floppy can't read this PC diskette!?!?!?
>
> All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC
formatted
780kb, 1.44 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!
>
> What to do???
>
Hi all,

> The read/write head alignment was adjustable on the old Commodore
1541. I forgot this. Thanks for remainding me this nightmare ! :)

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   From: DJNick <[e-mail]>
   Date: 26.02.1999, 14:02:36
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hello Juergen

>> Also I found that reading even 9KB text (from PC formatted diskette)
>> on my Amiga needs around 20 seconds (!) to show up!
>
>> Really _terrible_ slooow, but I can't do nothing. Eh...
>
> 24KB in 4 seconds.

You have 24kb in 4 seconds? But why then my HDdrive reads PC diskette 9kb for 12 seconds?

Once I was copying 1.44KB file from PC0: to RAM: It took around 13 minutes (!!!!) Horror!!!

> I see you have an A1200T. Is it from Micronik?. I have an Micronik

Nope. It is PC desktop case.

> tower and have trouble with PC0: (1.44MB). There was a support page
> for that problem. But now it's under construction (since 30.12.1998).
> The external drive works very well.

Strange...

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   From: Dirk Neubauer <[e-mail]>
   Date: 26.02.1999, 18:21:51
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hi DJNick!


On 25-Feb-99, you wrote:

> Also I found that reading even 9KB text (from PC formatted diskette) on my
Amiga needs around 20 seconds (!) to show up!

> Really _terrible_ slooow, but I can't do nothing. Eh...

You should use QuietTD for quicker access to NON-AmigaOFS/FFS-Disks. It is
part of the Diskspare Archive.

And may be it helps to use a better caching system for floppies like
smartchache as I use for many years now.

And you can set up the buffers on PC0/PC1 dosdrivers to 100 or more. Maybe
the use of MultiFilesystem is an solution, because there comes only one
check for filesystem of floppies now.


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   From: DJNick <[e-mail]>
   Date: 26.02.1999, 19:44:05
Subject: Yes, incredible slow HD drive :(

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Hello,

I was wrong when told you that my PC formatted drive to 1.44 was slow.
Actually - it is TERRIBLE sloooow!

For example:

# Deleting 3 small files from PC diskette takes around 45 (!!!!) seconds!
# Then displaying 9 kilobytes TXT file (!!!) takes around 40 to 62 (!!!!!) seconds!!!

It is awful!!

What to do??? Itis just impossible it is soo slow! Do I need something to fix or ?? Don't understand why it is hell slooow! Needs ONE minute for just 9KB file to show up!!! Terible :((

And for those who don't know, I paid for this "internal HD drive from A4000" 150 DM!!

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   From: Dirk Neubauer <[e-mail]>
   Date: 26.02.1999, 22:52:31
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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Hi Marion!


On 25-Feb-99, you wrote:

> C:AddBuffers PC0: 100

?!?

Why you don't take this better in the mount file in devs:dosdrivers?


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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 27.02.1999, 02:19:52
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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On 25-Feb-99 at 14:49:28, DJNick wrote these words of wisdom:
>
>> >> All my diskettes are working perfectly, including 880kb, PC formatted
>> >> 780kb, 1.4 4 and 1.76. But - this one my drive can't recognize!!
>>
>> >> What to do???

>>> Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.
>>
>> Do you have the newest version of CrossDOS 7?
>
> I think so. Wasn't it 7.0 the latest??

Yes. But I think 7.04 is the newest revision. You can check the url:
http://www.cucug.org/consultron/
to see if you have the newest. I haven't checked in a while.

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   From: Marion E. Wyatt <[e-mail]>
   Date: 27.02.1999, 17:14:17
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

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On 26-Feb-99 at 16:52:31, Dirk Neubauer wrote these words of wisdom:
>
> On 25-Feb-99, you wrote:
>
>> C:AddBuffers PC0: 100
>
> ?!?
>
> Why you don't take this better in the mount file in devs:dosdrivers?

Good idea. I hadn't actually thought about that. I checked the dosdriver and
low and behold there is a "buffers =" line :) Thanks for the tip.

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   From: Herbert Wollman <[e-mail]>
   Date: 28.02.1999, 19:48:49
Subject: Re: FW97 doesn't accepts EPS files



Victor wrote:

>
> I tried your FW macro to print PS to ram: and then postlj for printing to the
> HP6L and it works beautifully. Faster than ordinary FW printing. But for some
> reason I'm having problems attaching your script to my printer button
> (probably a simple thing to overcome).
>
>
> Victor Barac
> [e-mail]
> Toronto, Canada
>

Sorry for the delay.  In FinalWriter select the "View/Preferences" menu.  Click on
the "Buttons" tab.
You will see a dialog box.  In the middle is a panel labeled "Commands".
Click on the printer icon, (by default, it is the fourth).
On the right, select the "Command Type" to be ARexx Script.

Fill in the "Path or Name", for me it is;
DH2:FinalWriter/FWMacros/Postscript_Print

Click on "Save".

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   From: Andreas Meyer <[e-mail]>
   Date: 28.02.1999, 21:32:47
Subject: Re: 1.44 PC disk can't read!!

Hello Marion!

MEW>>>> Do I need another (newer?) version of CrossDos? I have V7.
MEW>>>
MEW>>> Do you have the newest version of CrossDOS 7?
MEW>>
MEW>> I think so. Wasn't it 7.0 the latest??

Please, what would be the advantage of using the commercial CrossDOS
instead of the version that came with the OS3.1?
This would be of interest for me since I´m using PC-Task on my Amiga.


Regards

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